Don't Fix it if it isn't Broken

Why do we say "We got fixed" when what we really mean is "We had the doctor break a system that was functioning exactly how He designed it to?


I have been reading this book. It is the one that started the whole "Quiverfull" movement.

This book boils down to asking one question:

Is God really Lord of ALL your life?

I find that most Christians think He is but have a definite blind spot when choosing how many eternal souls (babies) they will allow God to bring into this world through them.

If you want to know why so many are now having larger than average families, why the Duggers are like they are, What the Bible says about babies, then read this book. The Hesses answer all the questions you would expect: overpopulation, finances, health, etc. that are given as reasons to limit family size.

I highly encourage EVERY Christian couple to read either "A Full Quiver," "Be Fruitful and Multiply," or "Children: Blessing or Burden?" You already know the anti-child, small-family side of the argument. At least find out the reasoning behind the other viewpoint.

Oh, and PRAY ABOUT IT!

If I accomplish nothing  else, If I get you to honestly seek God's will about the size of your family, I have succeeded.

Birth Control- Pill Links

The sterile life's results

Yes! Exactly!
Blessings, But…

" If this were the cigarette industry the outrage would be resounding. The contraceptive mentality is so profound in the medical field that it seems that the health of a woman is unimportant so long as [we keep her from having babies]."

EVERY woman should read this! Where are those people who say they campaign for women?!?!?
Surgeon: birth control pill a ‘molotov cocktail’ for breast cancer LifeSiteNews.com

We Don’t Love Children, We Love Drywall

What about birth control? Why do people who say they believe the Bible and live for God have the same view of birth control and the same number of children as Atheists? Should it be that way?

The Pill: Making Motherhood “Better”?

A Hard Pill to Swallow: The journey from Pill user to NFP

“Lately I've been doing a lot of reading about the ethics of birth control, family size, what the Bible has to say about children, and what the various positions on this are of people from different denominational and experiential backgrounds. This whole issue of Christians, birth control, and having a marriage that's open to children is being examined by people all over the Internet. Some of the more noteworthy articles:”

Sex then and Now, Before the Pill and After.

Church decline of another kind Faith and Leadership

Yep, this says it all right.
How 'the pill' led to societal infantilism

Love this article by Generation Cedar. It really puts our birth control mentality into perspective and can just as easily be applied to hospital births, public schools, government healthcare, and not serving God (all unnatural).

Have you ever noticed that those who are the angriest about my having children because of what it does to the environment are those who are living the highest standard of living? I just might give an enviro-theist the time of day if they were living totally without electricity, gas, plastic, etc. When they can live that way, we'll discuss babies.

The fact is that all this "limit babies" talk is about letting them live high on the hog.

Good article

Telling the Truth About Birth Control
What they are not telling you when they give you a pill, patch or shot may kill you.

Its all about the money

Are we dying to have small families?

Children….Blessings but….

If you take The Pill, you are at increased risk of cancer, especially breast cancer.
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Default.aspx?id=540032


ATTENTION ALL CHRISTIANS
THE PILL CAUSES ABORTIONS!!!
It physically causes a fertilized egg to not implant. A baby dies for lack of nourishment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoIN7LcMANM

“Abstinence isn't the answer (to abortion)- and neither is birth control”

“Some Subtle Effects of the Birth Control Culture.” You might be surprised how much affect the pill has had.

“Is Birth Control the Church's Business?” How could the creation of eternal souls NOT be the church’s business?

That’s what I am saying…
“I've always found it interesting that women who do not generally practice birth control are the ones put in a class; "those people"..."those QF (quiverful) people". I find that odd. Women whose bodies are doing what they were created to do have to explain why they aren't taking a synthetic drug that alters its normal function? Does this not seem odd?...

Imagine a person walking up to you at the store and saying, "Oh my goodness! You're having s*x with your husband just for pleasure? You are purposely preventing conception? Only two children? Do you not want any more?"

How offensive! But... can I say this gently...that is more accurate than what so many who know the sting of being questioned about a larger than normal family is….

For centuries, couples have been pretty much having children every few years. Yeah people avoided certain times of the month, I'm sure, but the whole concept of just using birth control to stop after a child or two has been completely FOREIGN to the world until around the 1960's. So why is that group now the normal group, and the other group is "cultish" and weird?”

For the rest of the article…

Having said this, I don’t mind questions such as “are they all yours.” I find most people really want to tell me about their families. Now “Are you going to have more?” depends on who is asking. I have had that question from those who really wanted to know, maybe considering the issue in their own lives. I don’t mind them at all. Those with a condemning tone of voice though…

Another post on birth control.

This article makes the observation that most birth control methods are made for the woman’s use and have mild to fatal complications (the pill causes breast cancer and heart disease. Abortion causes both also. IUD can cause the above plus uterine abruption). None of the men’s birth control methods have side effects. This is equality???? Doesn’t this just allow men to use women for their own entertainment?

In no other area do healthy women have surgeries and take pills. Children are evidently a disease. What ever happened to children being the blessing God says they are?

What is the purpose of birth control (including abortion)? For 99.99% of the time the purpose is to allow women to screw around without consequences and men to use any one they want without leaving troublesome “evidence” (the kind that needs its diaper changed occasionally).

I think sex (which was God’s idea by the way) is too wonderful and beautiful and (ok, I’ll say it) fun to degrade it this way. It is not just cheap entertainment. It is a symbol of God’s relationship with the church; of how close He wants to be to His bride. And just like that spiritual relationship, sex should be open to fruitfulness. It should be reserved for just the one special person God has given you. Sex is God’s wedding gift to you. Enjoy it!

More and more Christians are reconsidering the whole birth control attitude of our country. Here is one discussion.

A set of links about Birth control from LAF
Appetites for big houses growing while families are shrinking.

Basically what this boils down to is your definition of abortion. Most doctors are taught that an abortion is a procedure done AFTER the embryo implants in the uterus. Thus, anything that causes the embryo to not implant is not an Abortifacient. Most conservative Christians believe that life begins at conception (three to ten days before implantation) and so anything that prevents implantation IS an Abortifacient.

The pill prevents ovulation 65% of the time. This means that no egg is ripened and released so no baby is possible.

30% of the time the pill makes the woman’s body hostile to sperm so none live long enough to fertilize the egg that is released. Again, no baby.

1% of the time an egg is fertilized and implants causing a pregnancy.

This leaves 4% unaccounted for. Read the package insert in pills. 4% of the time they make the uterus inhospitable to a fertilized embryo (Baby). The new life can’t implant and “passes into the hands of the Lord” to borrow the way an e-friend words it.

All hormonal controls function in the same way, just with different numbers.

Don’t take my words for it. Read this article. Pray. Research. This is too important of an issue to leave in the hands of others.

(Just to be completely truthful, I used the pill myself for four years. I was taught in sex ed that the pill simply keeps you from ovulating so there was no moral question about it. I quit after four years because I knew there was a link between blood clots and the pill if you use it longer.

Since then I have not only learned of the abortion/pill link, but as posted earlier, the breast cancer/pill and heart disease/pill links.

I have also come to question our society’s whole attitude towards children and birth control (I am not saying all birth control is wrong, but that is another post:-) to quote another e-friend;

“The Bible calls debt a curse and children a blessing yet we apply for the curse and take drugs and have surgeries to prevent the blessings.”

“A new study from the Mayo Clinic has concluded that there is ‘a measurable and statistically significant’ connection between the pill and pre-menopausal breast cancer,”

Makes since. If God wanted us to have extra hormones in our system, He would have put them their.

“There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.” Proverbs 14:12 and Proverbs 16:25

I am more and more convinced that the more we get away from how God originally made things the worse things become. This is just one example. We invented a little pill you can take so you can still have sex and not “risk” the curse of children. The result- you have a greater chance of breast cancer. Refuse life, you get death.

The sad thing is that God has provided a way to control the spacing of pregnancy without chemicals and devices and surgeries. It is based on the idea that you can’t get pregnant if you are not fertile and women are only fertile three to ten days per month. (My article)

But this requires self control, communication and doesn’t bring any money into anyone’s pocket like pills and procedures do. So no one talks about it. The sad thing is, they aren’t talking about this newly discovered breast cancer risk either.

An article about chemical pollution and the pill. Interesting.

So, sexless fish.

See also "Quiverfull"

How “The Pill” Can Harm Your Future Child’s Health — The Healthy Home Economist

Eleven Theses on Birth Control Doug Wilson

This is for my files. Interesting thoughts.

Poisoned by the Pill: Truths about Chemical Contraception Catholic Exchange

What about birth control? Why do people who say they believe the Bible and live for God have the same view of birth control and the same number of children as Atheists? Should it be that way?


How does the pill really work?

Why have children

1. Children are blessings from God and more blessings are always good.

“Behold, children are a gift of the Lord, The fruit of the womb is a reward.” Psalms 127:3

“He maketh the barren woman to keep house, and to be a joyful mother of children. Praise ye the Lord.” Psalms 113:9

“Happy is the man that hath his quiver full of them: they shall not be ashamed, but they shall speak with the enemies in the gate.” Psalms 127:5

“And all these blessings shall come on thee, and overtake thee, if thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God… Blessed shalt thou be in the city, and blessed shalt thou be in the field. Blessed shall be THE FRUIT OF THY BODY, and the fruit of thy ground, and the fruit of thy cattle, the increase of thy kine (cows), and the flocks of thy sheep…And the Lord shall make thee plenteous in goods, in the FRUIT OF THY BODY, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy ground, in the land which the Lord sware unto thy fathers to give thee… But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee: Cursed shall be THE FRUIT OF THY BODY, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.” Deuteronomy 28 (fruitfulness is a sign of blessing and barrenness is a sign of cursing.)

2. God commanded us to multiply.

“And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.” Genesis 1:28 (This command was never rescinded.)

“And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.” Genesis 9:1

“And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein.” Genesis 9:7

3. God designed our bodies to have children.

Men with six or more children (who are never overweight) live more than ten years longer than men who have none.

Women who have children have far less rates of cancer and the more children a woman has the lower the cancer rate as well as the slower the aging process.

4. To create an army of God.

Let’s do a little math comparison:
Let’s say we have ten families, one Christian and nine sinner families. Each family has the average number of two children and each child finds someone just like them outside our group to marry. The second generation the score card will look like this: Christians: 2-Heathens:18. The third= Christians: 4-heathens: 36. The fourth= Christians: 8-heathens: 72. The majority of Christian families are loosing 85% of their children to the world and it takes 30 Christians to win one sinner. In the fourth generation we will loose 7 out of 8 of the Christians and not have enough Christians to win anyone.

“Houston, we have a problem.”

Let’s redo those numbers assuming the Christian family at the beginning takes God’s Word at face value and assumes children are blessings, the “Be fruitful” command was never removed, and that God really is in control of even biology. Most families like this also believe God tells parents to homeschool (Duet 6:7, Ephesians 6, Duet 11, et al)
Generation one= C: 1 (family) - H: 9. Generation two= C: 7 (the average family before the days of our birth control/death culture had seven children) - H: 18. Generation three= C: 49- H: 36. Generation four= C: 343- H: 72. If we carry it one more generation we have 2401 Christians and 144 heathens. Since homeschool families only loose 4% of their children, we still have 2305 Christian families. Add in the one sinner saved per 30 Christians and we have 2385 Christian families. We are still losing ground, unless…

Unless the higher ratio of Christians saturates the society to the extent that there is a faster conversion rate.

The first group had absolutely no chance of surviving much less winning any one for Christ. The second has a fair shot at it.

Let’s look at our original question: Why have Children?

Should we even be asking this? Shouldn’t we be asking “Why shouldn’t we have (more) children?” The entire idea of us controlling how many children we have stems from the worldly idea that children are curses and burdens and we have a right to be selfish. And this indoctrination is so deep that I can’t even tell you how many people I know how ask God for guidance in every area of their lives… except how many children to have. You suggest they pray about it and they give you a blank look like just began speaking a foreign language.

“Aren’t we supposed to be smart and responsible?”
The Bible tells us not to lean on our own understanding. It tells us to pray about everything. It also tells us God controls the womb.

“I can’t afford it.”
How do you know? I have heard of many who let God give them as many children as He wants to even though they are living in poverty. Many times, God gives the hubby a new, bigger income shortly after this commitment. Other times He miraculously stretches the existing income (for example, someone GAVE us a $1500 vacuum cleaner and someone else GAVE us a 15 passenger van!) but I have never heard of a God fearing couple who honestly trusts Him going hungry.

Let’s put it this way:

Who would know best how many Eternal Souls a couple should bring into this world? God or a human being?